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SRI SATHYA SAI - ANANDADAYI
Excerpts from the book written by Karunamba
Ramamurthy – Part 2 of 3
Swami visited Ramachandra Shetty's house on December 17, 1958. Shetty's family performed pada Puja. After the Puja, Swami gave a brief discourse to the housewives assembled there:
your duties sincerely and think of God during the rest of the time. This is your
dharma. Eyes are important for the body as the sun and the moon are the eyes of
the Loka. Dharma is the eye of the mind. Without this, life will be dark.
Therefore, follow dharma. Look after your husband and children and do not make
unreasonable demands. How can he get you a sari worth Rs. 150 when his earning
is only Rs. 100?
good deeds. Do not take on yourself duties of others' or transfer your duties to
them. An unripe fruit will not fall by itself, whereas a ripe fruit will fall by
itself. Merely by shaving one's head, does the feelings of the mind vanish?
Hence one should put in efforts to remove the desires of the mind. What is the
use of external appearances? Try to curtail your needs. When this fruit (body)
is rotten, it will be thrown away. When the fruit is good, shouldn't you offer
it to God? You cannot rest without performing your duties. Even breathing is an
action. If that stops, no other action is possible. Therefore, do your duties
sincerely contemplating on God.
was a brief interval during which some devotees sought clarifications from Swami
about their doubts.
Swami, what is the meaning of Manava?
Let Me put it like this:
+ vyamoha = Manava
- vyamoha = daiva
other words, human being is vyamoha sahita, whereas God is vyamoha rahita.
(Swami sang the song, Rama nannu brovara (Rama, please take care of me). He
emphasised the importance of detachment and discrimination citing a stanza from
the song chimalo brahmalo.) In this song, Saint Tyagaraja declares that Brahma
is present even in an ant. He leaves out the human being intentionally. The ant
exercises the faculty of discrimination when sugar and sand are mixed. The ant
selects only the sugar and discards the sand whereas the human being grabs
everything and comes to grief.
Swami, why did You create this type of world?
To make human beings learn from their sufferings and enable them to experience
and exercise their power of discrimination for their evolution.
Swami, did You create this world as a pastime?
No. Never. God does not have even a moment of free time. He created the world
with all its beauty to educate and uplift the human being.
then told Swami about the impediments in Bhakti marga to reach God (sufferings,
wavering of faith and so on).
No. You think wrongly. Why do you think a mother punishes the child? It is not
shiksha (punishment), but shikshana (training of the senses and emotion;
teaching). It is the same with God. Just because the mother chides the child
sometimes, it does not turn away from her. When your child is seriously ill,
whom do you turn to? You do not pray your rich father, husband or others. You
pray God, 'Please, save my child'. Is it not?
this world everybody, both rich and poor, is a beggar. God gives more alms to
some and less to others. One is a bigger beggar and other one is a smaller
beggar that is all. How much each one gets is decided by their karma. Therefore,
don't hate or envy others. Live amicably, work happily, share equally with
others and try to please God.
Swami, what is Atma?
You are too young to understand it. (Turning to Shetty) Atma has no akara
(form). It is Ananta (endless).
reached Parthi on June 14, 1959, we had Darshan of Swami. He blessed us holding
His right hand high and enquired about children's welfare and their examination
results. My husband told Swami that by His grace, they had passed. Swami told
laughingly, "To pass in examination, My grace; for other results, your
grace." Swami enquired, "You were to come yesterday itself. Is it
not?" My husband told, "We could not make it." Swami said,
"You had no plans to come to Puttaparthi." My husband remained silent.
Swami continued. "Is Radhamma all right? Has she left for her place?"
The next day, after I had Darshan of Swami, I did pada Namaskara. I went to see
Swami in the afternoon. He said, "I will see you after My lunch." The
door of the Interview Room opened. I said, "We are going back tomorrow.
Permit us to do pada Puja." Swami said, "If you are leaving tomorrow
morning, how will you perform pada Puja? You will miss the bus." I replied,
"Swami, if You permit, we will go by the evening bus." He said,
were waiting for the pada Puja on Tuesday. After Bhajans and mangalarati, Swami
went upstairs for His lunch. I went upstairs and waited. Swami opened the door.
He asked, "What?" I replied, "We are waiting for pada Puja."
He said, "Which pada Puja? You did not ask for it. Should you not have come
to the Interview Room in the morning?" Saying that, He came down. Looking
at my mother He said, "Should you not, at least, tell them that devotees on
the spiritual path have no need to do any external Puja?"
Swami, if You are inconvenienced by our Puja, we will not do it.
I am not tired. But you are under an illusion. If you are still concerned only
with this external Puja, when will you start doing it internally? Do you
consider it to be Puja only after you have washed My feet with water? (Later He
allowed us to perform the Puja.)
Swami, tell me about Niraakaara Dhyana.
That is not good. It is good to walk where there is a road. Give up the rocky
path and take the royal path. Thereby, you will know the right direction. You
may mistake a piece of glass found on your way for a diamond. When you come
across a real diamond, you may neglect it as only a piece of glass. Who will
guide you? Hence sakara Dhyana is good. Niraakaara Dhyana is a very difficult
path. The universe was seen in Krishna's mouth; Krishna was not seen in the
universe. Power dwells in a person and not vice versa. Why are you trying to go
by that way? The important thing during meditation is that you must meditate
with Godly feelings. Human feelings should not be brought there.
asked as to where we could see Him before leaving for Mysore. He asked us to
come near the Interview Room. After 3 p.m. we were standing outside the
Interview Room. Swami saw us from upstairs and beckoned us. He took us to a
room, which is right on top of the Puja place in the Mandir downstairs. After we
sat down, my husband started pressing Swami's legs.
You have said in Sanathana Sarathi that we should do Japa and Dhyana along with
Omkara. We are not able to do all the three together.
You have got it wrong. When you are doing Omkara, is it possible to chant the
mantra or meditate? While doing Omkara, just concentrate on the sound of Omkara.
Later, feeling the sound of Omkara, meditate on the letter OM and chant the
mantra. If mantra Japa stops, continue the Dhyana. Even if Japa stops, do not
worry, but continue the Dhyana.
Swami, why don't we feel happy while doing Dhyana?
Initially there will be no feelings. You should practice continuously. When you
close your eyes during Dhyana, you see only darkness. In that you should see a
light and see Me in that light. That is all. It is good if you do not have any
other Darshan during the Dhyana. Realization of the soul is the highest state.
After that everything will be perceived as filled with Brahma. In that state one
will forget oneself. This state can be reached with the help of Japa and Dhyana.
To bring the turbulent mind of Swami Vivekananda under control, Sri Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa gave him the experience of Sakshathkaram for a short time. He did
not make that permanent.
will tell you an example to illustrate the complete surrender of soul. Once the
king of Khatvanga was going through a forest. On the way, he saw a sage.
Immediately he got down from his horse, prostrated before the sage and prayed,
"Guruji, I want to have realization of the soul before I step on the
stirrup to climb my horse again." The sage said, "In that case, you
should do as I advice you to." The king agreed. Sage said, "Offer your
body, speech and mind to me." The king said, "I offer them to
you." The sage vanished. The king stood rooted to the same spot.
king's family members came in search of him as he did not turn up even after a
long time. After finding him, they tried to talk to him. The king did not utter
a single word. They thought that the king's mental state could be due to the
advice of a noble soul. Later they searched the forest for the sage and prayed
him to come to the place where the king was transfixed. The king bowed to the
sage and spoke to him. When the family members asked for the reason for his
being silent earlier, the king after taking permission from the sage said,
"I had offered my body, speech and mind to the sage and so without his
permission I had no right to do anything." The sage pleased by this total
surrender asked him to mount the horse. As soon as the king placed his foot on
the stirrup, he realised the soul and attained salvation.
Swami, is it not possible to attain self-realization in one's lifetime itself?
It is possible. You can realise your soul by the grace of the Guru in just one
second, one hour, one day, one month or an year.
In that case, shouldn't You grace those persons who are entirely dependent on
You and seeking Your grace?
I will surely bless them. I am here only for that reason and for such aspirants.
You still have responsibilities. As soon as you finish them, I will shower grace
on you. If you desire it before finishing your duties, it will be an act of
Swami, aren't there people who are doing their duties and sadhana at the same
Yes, but it is better to finish one's duties first.
Swami, it is an endless world. Duties never end.
No. A time will come when your duties will be over. It will not be like this
forever. Do you know why I tell you people to work (serve)? It is for the reason
that you should not have a body another time. Even though your mind is purified,
your body might not have done enough manual work. The result is that you will
have to be born again, at least, as an exalted person. Make sure you do not get
a body again. Believe Me, I will definitely grace you.
Swami, the body is already weak. Can we do later what we are unable to do now?
While sitting for Japa and Dhyana, our minds will stray towards the pain in the
legs, etc. When we become old, many more difficulties will be there to distract
us even more.
Mind is more important than the body. If you just count the rosary on your
fingers without involving the mind, what is the use? Do you know the strength of
the mind? If the mind so decides, it can make the body bend to its dictum,
irrespective of the state or condition of the body. Without thinking about the
leg pain, you focus the mind on Japa Dhyana. It will cure by itself. You are
like potholes in a riverbed filled with mud and dirty water. Would the river go
in search of those holes, which are away from the main stream? But when the
river is in spate, all mud and dirty water are washed out and only pure water
stays in the holes. Similarly, by cleansing the mind the soul will be realized.
The flood is God's grace. The river is Naamasmarana. Do all the rivers end up in
sea? No. Some of them end in a lake or tank. When the 'rain' called 'God's
grace' pours down on the 'river' called Naamasmarana, it results in a spate,
which is destined to reach the 'sea' called 'God'. In Kaliyug, you need not do
anything other than Naamasmarana. Your karma gets destroyed by having My
Darshan, Sparshan and Sambashan. I have kept programs such as Omkara, Japa,
Bhajan, etc., to stop you people from wasting time by talking unnecessary
things. That's all.
But in the house, we have to do them in an order.
Yes. You have to do that. Only because you do Puja, Bhajan and other good deeds,
your children will imbibe these good habits.
Swami, Your grace should be always on us. Swami: It is there. A lot of it. My
grace is always on you.
saying, Swami blessed both of us by placing His hands on our heads. He
materialized vibuthi, applied it on our foreheads and gave us some to take home
for children. Swami also gave us a piece of paper to pack it up. I said,
"Swami, my son has applied for diploma according to Your guidance. You
should bless him to get a seat there." Swami said, "Why? Everywhere
they give a seat for a student who is eligible." I said, "Another son
also has to get a seat." Swami said, "Sure. He too will get a
seat." (As promised by Swami, both of them got seats in the respective
doing pada Namaskara, I asked, "Swami, children will have holidays for ten
days for Dasara. Can we all come to Puttaparthi?" Swami replied,
"Don't come. Sit at home and keep chanting 'Ramamurthy, Ramamurthy' (my
husband's name). (Laughs) This is your mother's house. Where else can you go?
You have to come. Ammayi, do not get upset that I scolded you for requesting
pada Puja. I am not angry. I did it for fun." My husband said that he was
not feeling well for past fifteen days. Swami said, "Is it so? Kannamma,
you get him married. Everything will be all right (laughs)." I asked,
"Swami, should we leave now or tomorrow morning?" Swami said,
"Better if you stay back today and leave tomorrow. You can leave tomorrow
morning after doing pada Namaskara. Now, it is getting late for Bhajans. Shall
We leave now?" So saying Swami stood up. We followed Him downstairs.
next morning at 7 a.m. we were waiting outside the Mandir. Swami came on the
balcony and smiled at us. He asked, "Why are you two standing so far? Did
you quarrel yesterday?" We replied in the negative. He signaled us to come
upstairs. We went up. Swami said, "Tell your children that I enquired about
them." We said, "Swami, You should help them to get seats in the
college." Swami touching His chest said, "I am there. I am there to
get them the seats. Do not worry." Both of us did pada Namaskara.
said, "Swami, You should always be ours." Swami placed His hands on
our hands and said, "I am always yours. I am yours now. I will be yours in
the future and I was yours in the past." We were happy. In that ecstatic
state, we started to climb down the stairs, completely forgetting the Prasadam.
Swami called, "Kannamma, take some Prasadam and then go." He gave me a
handful of vibuthi packets. When I asked some vibuthi for Leelamma, He told me
to give some from what He had given me.
asked, "Swami, is it true that You are coming to Mysore in July?"
Swami said, "I am definitely coming. Shetty has invited Me for
Gurupoornima." I asked, "Will You not come to our house?" Swami
said, "Surely, I will. Did I not come even when I stayed for just one day?
Shettys are My devotees. But I do not want them to hear nasty things from their
relatives because of Me. So, I will not stay there for long. The house is also
small. People should not be inconvenienced due to My presence there."
October 30, 1959, we went to Puttaparthi, offered flowers and did pada Namaskara
to Swami. Looking at me, He enquired, "Kannamma, you have come!" I
said, "Yes, Swami." He said, "I am very happy, very happy,"
and gave me a flower as Prasadam.
November 7, 1959, Swami called us into the Interview Room at 11. a.m.
Kannamma, are you leaving now itself?
Swami, we were planning to leave the next morning by bus.
Today is Ashtami Navami. What will you do? I will talk to you in the evening.
What shall I do Swami? I wanted to go tomorrow morning at 6 a.m.
Yes, you can leave tomorrow morning. It is Ashtami till 3 p.m. I will therefore
talk to you in the evening and not now. (We garlanded Him and did pada
Namaskara.) How is the couple?
Swami, we are fine. Swami: Do you want a boy or a girl? Kannamma: Swami, I want
Why do you take it in that way? Why do you take all My words in worldly sense
and not in the spiritual sense? Don't you want the daughter called Vijnana and
the son called sujnana? (Vijnana - knowledge of the phenomenal world; highest
wisdom, constant efforts to discriminate between dharma and Adharma. Sujnana -
higher levels of consciousness; knowledge which enables one to distinguish
between right and wrong, good and bad.)
Yes, Swami, I need such children.
Then, why did you say that you did not want them? Henceforth, try to understand
the inner meaning of whatever I say. You should not have only the worldly view.
The attraction between God and devotee is inexplicable. Ammayi, without your
knowledge, you will get access to God. If you are in the boat, you can
circumvent all the whirlpools in the river.
We do not know how to escape.
When you are in a boat (referring to Himself), why do you fear? I will take you
safely through any dangerous whirlpool. The boat called Paramatma is the best
security. When you have Me, you need not do any other sadhana. Just meditate on
this form and you will get divine consciousness. Do not be afraid thinking how
big your sack of karma is. This is the right time to undergo all your karma and
finish it off once for all.
the evening, we had Darshan of Swami again in the Interview Room. The garland,
which I had taken, was entangled and I was struggling to straighten it out.
Swami asked for the garland telling that He would straighten it out. He
untangled the garland and handed it back to me. I put it around His neck and did
You came to talk to Me in the morning. You least expected that I would call you
again in the evening. It is because of the attraction between God and devotee.
Without your knowledge, God graces you.
told Him about all our family problems.
(After listening to everything, asked smilingly) Is that the entire list or have
you left out something? Why do you worry like this when I am here? You still
think that I have to know your problems from you and only then solve them! Since
I am with you, I will protect you as and when a difficult situation arises. It
is like keeping the luggage on your lap while traveling by train. The train
carrying you also carries your luggage. At the top muktikanta is present. At the
bottom, prakritikanta is present and you are in between them. If you keep going
towards the objective world, when will you start coming up towards Mukti? With
one leg kept fixed at a place, if you move your other leg forward and backwards,
would you progress in any direction? At least now, if you start to move slowly,
step by step forward, you can go towards muktikanta. Do you understand?
Swami, how to obtain Your grace?
There is nothing more left for Me to tell you except to advise you to do
sadhana. You are My devotees. It is good if you keep name and form. As soon as
you remember the name, it draws the form. There is nothing simpler than this. It
is better to simply contemplate with a pure mind than trying to practice
orthodox sadhana methods and fail. It is easier for devotees following the
bhaktimarga to attain Mukti. How many yogis and Munis are liberated? Even the
Sapta Rishis occasionally slipped in their sadhana, since they could not control
their anger, ego and envy. I am giving you a simple method — Naamasmarana —
to get yourself liberated from the cycles of birth and death.
Swami, if the mind contemplates for two days, it will not be interested for four
Your situation is like the trader of coconuts who cried along with traders of
salt and pulses for no reason. The story goes thus: Three traders were crossing
a river. One of them traded coconuts, another salt and another pulses.
Accidentally all their goods fell into the river. Understandably, the salt and
pulses traders cried over their loss. Seeing them crying, the coconut dealer too
joined them even though he had lost nothing. Your children think that you are
happy here, far away from worldly problems. You think that so far you have not
gained anything by being here and people from afar have better opportunities as
they can spend more time with Swami in the Interview Room. The water placed in
the sun gets heated up even though the sun is far away. You are in a similar
position. You do not know how the water gets heated? But, only I know.
Swami, those who are present here are like water before the sun. What about
devotees like us?
I have given all of you the fire called Naamasmarana. It will burn away your
karma. It will merge you in God. Butter is soft, but does not melt until heated.
You may think that Swami keeps telling that He is as soft as butter, but
nowadays He has hardened. Only when the heat of Smarana is applied to the
butter, it melts. But, Ammayi, this butter (meaning Himself) is melting under
the heat of your Naamasmarana. That is the reason why you are getting
opportunities to have samipya, Sparshan and Sambashan.
Swami, however much You talk, accept our services or assure us, we are not
Yes. It is true. Devotees will never have the satisfaction in matters pertaining
to God. It is not possible also. Even though sage Narada continued to have
Darshan of Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesvara, he did not stop chanting the name 'Hare
Narayana.' Why? Because, he was not contented with the Darshan. Therefore, there
is nothing wrong in your not being satisfied even though you get lots of
opportunities to be near Me.
Swami does not our craving for more and more of Your Darshan anger You?
No. I will never get angry in the matters of Bhakti. I will only tell that you
should learn to be contented with what you have in worldly matters.
Swami, which Bhava should we have in Bhakti?
In the beginning, have the master-servant feeling. Later, other feelings will
come by themselves. First Prabhu Bhakti, then sakhya Bhakti, then anuraga Bhakti
and so on. Contemplate with a peaceful mind. There is no other easier method to
cross the Bhava Sagara other than Naamasmarana. The fire of Smarana and My
Darshan will burn all three kinds of your karma. (Swami has explained that karma
is of three kinds — prarabdha karma: being exhausted in the present life;
agami karma: being accumulated in the present life and sanchita karma: is
accumulated to be experienced in future lives.) Persons staying here can burn
their bad qualities if they perform Bhajans with devotion twice a day. Just as
Bhishma was waiting for the auspicious moment to die, lying on the bed of
arrows, you should endure all worldly sufferings. Godhead be attained only then.
There is no other easier method. When Pandavas and Krishna came near Bhishma,
who was suffering, Krishna said, "Arjuna, your grandfather is suffering.
Ask him the reason." When Arjuna enquired, Bhishma said, "Forget the
reasons why I am suffering. Even after having Lord Krishna always at your side,
how much have you suffered? Instead of asking the reasons for my sufferings, you
ask Krishna the reasons for your suffering. In fact, I am reminiscing Krishna's
Mahima and am finding it difficult to unravel the mystery of your
Swami, why did Krishna make His devotees suffer so much?
He wanted their lives to be an ideal example for the people of Kaliyug. He does
not want to trouble any of His devotees.
Swami, when there is lot of problems in the house, Bhakti weakens.
It is always like that. In such situations, take your mind off the troubles and
turn towards God. The troubles will solve themselves. If you had the peace of
mind in your house, would you have felt like coming here? Disgusted with the
problems in your house, you have come here to stay peacefully, at least, for a
few days. Kunthi bowed to Krishna and asked Him to give her trouble always.
Krishna asked, "Mother, are not the present troubles enough?" Kunthi
said, "Krishna, when I was in the palace of Pandu, I did not utter
'Krishna' even once. But, in difficulties I am always contemplating on
I cannot bear to see my children suffer.
Ha! That is attachment. It is not only today's problem, but has been so for
ages. You can cross this hurdle also by Naamasmarana.
Swami, can we have an interview again in the evening?
had an interview in the evening. mother: I pray You to grant me Darshan always.
So shall it be, even for Kannamma. (He placed His abhaya hasta on our heads.)
Always comprehend the inner meanings. Move towards muktikanta. You will reach
the goal. You are still not sure as to what type of Bhava you should develop.
You like the Bhava of a mother. It is good for you. Due to Bhajans and
contemplation, you have come in contact with several devotees such as Leelamma,
Shetty and others. Even here, you have got friends who are good devotees. Look,
if you have a direct contact of Smarana between you and Me, think of the things
that you can get. Close friends share all their confidential secrets with each
other. Even God, who dwells in heart, reveals all His secrets to His
atmiyabhakta. God goes even to the sinner if he contemplates on Him. When such
is the case, will not God stay constantly with devoted persons who contemplate
on Him with love?
day, i.e., on November 8, 1959, Swami called us again to continue the
conversation. We garlanded Him and did pada Namaskara. I briefed Him about a few
family matters for His advice.
(after hearing me patiently He cited a poem in Telugu meaning it is like going
to a shop for buying things in spite of having Kalpa Vriksha with you; like
going to the market to buy a cow when Kamadhenu is with you.) Why are you
harping on your difficulties even after having Me? In times of difficulties you
somehow get help, don't you? Do you think it could have happened without My
involvement? Your desire is that I should show you the way in asathya as I do
for Sathya. If you are firm in your Sathya sadhana, all your asathya affairs
will sort out by themselves.
Is it not good to do Japa early in the morning?
Aha! Definitely. You should surely do at that time. There is no better time in
the entire day for Japa other than brahmi muhurta.
How should we do Japa? Swami: How do you sit for Japa? Kannamma: I sit in
Do not sit like that. Sit relaxed as you are sitting now. As you complain of leg
pain, do not sit in Padmasana. But you should sit straight. Show Me how you sit?
showed Him the way I sit for Japa. Swami demonstrated sitting straight and said
that the back should not be bent.
Initially I sit straight. Later, without my knowledge, my back bends.
That is not your mistake. Sit straight in the beginning; the rest is left to
Him. You should keep your thumb and middle finger in contact. Some people keep
the thumb and the forefinger in contact. That is wrong. The job of the
forefinger is to say, 'that is wrong, this is wrong; I want that, I want this;
see that, see this.' So you should join the thumb and the middle finger.
What should we do next? Swami: Chant the name and think of His form.
The form comes for a moment and then it disappears. It does not stay for long.
Do not do it simultaneously. First do some Japa. Then slowly picturise the form
in your mind. This way the mind concentrates for ten to fifteen minutes at the
least. That is enough.
Swami, you told us to do Japa synchronised with our breathing. Should we not do
kumbhaka to hold the breath for a while?
Do not do it. Just doing Japa synchronised with your breathing is enough. When
you draw in your breath, naturally you keep your breath for a moment and then
leave it out. That one moment of kumbhaka is sufficient.
My mind can concentrate better while doing Japa, but not during Dhyana.
That is why I told you to do Japa first. While picturising the form you can't do
Japa. You need not do also. As soon as you get up early in the morning, do not
go about performing your daily chores. You need not even take a bath. Mind then
will start its usual routine. Wash your mouth and face. Immediately sit for
Japa-Dhyana. Do this much. As you are still involved in worldly affairs, it will
take some more time for your mind to calm down.
When You are there, why do I fear? Swami: Yes. That is right. Why fear when I am
Swami Vivekananda had told that we could concentrate on anything like
concentrating on a black dot at the centre of a white cloth or concentrating on
Don't concentrate directly on the flame. Your eyes will be damaged. You should
see it for a few minutes and close your eyes. Then you must imagine the flame in
your mind. This is for the beginners. You do not need that. I have taught you
the best sadhana. If you leave Japa, do Dhyana. If you leave Dhyana, do Japa.
This is good for you. Try to do what I have told you.
Our devotion gets diluted when we undergo a lot of worldly troubles. Should You
not give us a little peace of mind?
Ammayi, if I had given you peace of mind, you would have forgotten Puttaparthi.
Since you are not at peace there, you come here and stay here for a few days to
get peace. Only after you have experienced the heat of the sun, you will enjoy
the coolness of the shade. Shishupala was always contemplating on Krishna, of
course, with hatred. Due to this constant contemplation, at the end he merged in
got up; we prostrated to Him and left.
were at Puttaparthi during late 1950's. Swami called us to the Interview Room.
We garlanded Him and did pada Namaskara. Swami enquired about the state of
affairs at the house.
We have no fear when You are there. Swami: Face all situations like that.
Swami, You told us once that we can know God's presence in our breath by
watching the 'door' of Soham. Where is this door? What is the technique of
reciting Soham, with every breath?
You do not need all that. It is impossible for persons sunk in worldly life to
do all these things. Only persons who stay isolated in a forest can practice
such techniques. Is it possible for you to count on twenty one thousand six
hundred breaths and chant the mantra an equal number of times per day?
Naamasmarana is enough for you.
We can do that during meditation.
How is that possible? How will you keep track of the number of breaths — how
many you have done and how many you have to do? That is impossible. Do
Swami, it is said that people who perform Japa and Dhyana should not eat food
that is prepared for shraddha. Is it so?
Yes. A Sadhaka should not eat the food prepared for shraddha of people not
related to him/her. That is harmful for spiritual practice. Your husband attends
them to please people. Let him go.
Swami, a spiritual society is planning a function in Mysore. If they invite,
will You come?
No. I will not come. I have nothing to do with that spiritual society. To become
a member of the society, one has to pay four ana. It is not four and that is to
be given, but four guna, which are Sathya, dharma, shanthi and prema. Some
societies are formed to amass money. In Puttaparthi, money is not sought.
Swami, when are you leaving on tour?
I will leave towards the end of June. (Turning to my mother) You should not
permit anyone to enter your room. If you lend your ears to idle gossip, because
of human weakness, you will start thinking only about those matters. If they
speak about Swami, talk with them. Tell them that you are not interested in any
other matter, either good or bad.
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